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1default General News You Want to Talk About on Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:21 am

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I want to say how horrified and sad I am to hear the news about the attack at a gay nightclub in Orlando, FL that caused so many deaths and injuries.   This is the deadliest mass shooting in the U.S.    My condolences to the family and friends of those who passed.    This just deeply saddens and enrages me.    Why so much hate?  How many more times?   How many more victims?

I also am sad to hear about the murder of Christina Grimmie.   My condolences to her family, friends and fans.   I am especially sad for her brother, who had to witness her attack.

3default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:38 pm

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What happened is indeed horryfing. It's so sick... 

Do you have an opinion about Clinton's and Trump's reactions ?

4default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:02 am

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Jeremy wrote:Do you have an opinion about Clinton's and Trump's reactions ?

I do.   I have strong feelings about policies that encourage hostility against, and exclusion of, entire groups of people based on religion and national origin.

5default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:42 am

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@Poppy wrote:I heard the news, and it's astounding news.  I'm really very sorry, Lin, about how upset you feel.

When one is upset, it's understandable to think of other upsetting scenarios.   I can't imagine my country with Trump as our President.  

If no one minds, I think this may be a better place to discuss these issues:   General News You Want to Talk About
Emotions are going to run high on this issue, especially for those of you from Europe.    I truly sympathize.

I'm just a little shocked at the outcome, I really didn't expect this to happen. And this whole thing would have been upsetting enough even if it had narrowly gone the other way, because either way that's a LOT of people letting themselves be swayed by / not being able to see through xenophobia and fear mongering.
I was already very dismayed by the results of our last state election earlier this year, when the anti-EU (xenophobic/racist/"if refugees won't leave voluntarily we should shoot at them") party got 30% of the vote in the town I live in half the year ... which "doesn't matter" because they "only" got 12% in the state overall, so they can't do too actual much damage, but I just get sad thinking about how many people around me are assholes and/or really really stupid. You'd think German people should have learned this lesson already.
And I can tell myself "at least those people are (still) in the minority!", but then shit like this happens and makes me lose some more faith in humanity, so now I'm suddenly worried about Trump who I never considered a serious thread before and don't even want to imagine as a real possibility. It's just scary what's happening all over the world right now. Sorry if I'm being a bit over-dramatic.


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6default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:51 am

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Lin, I understand your perspective.   And I can understand why this is upsetting.  I've been trying to read up on the background issues and I know the issue of immigration played a role in the vote to leave the EU, but it seems there were other issues at play too.  I know this is a complex issue. 

I'm not going to take a stance on this . . . I need to be more educated on the various issues.    We have 3 members from Europe on this forum, from various countries, so I understand if there will be varying views.    If others want to engage in a discussion, feel free, as long as we keep our views respectful of each other.  :happy face

7default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:52 pm

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For the record, I'm not trying to over-simplify and say everyone who voted "leave" is a racist or that xenophobia is the only issue at play here. But I do think it's a big one, both for the driving forces behind it and a significant amount of the voters, and I'm just feeling especially frustrated by the larger pattern of that today.


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8default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:09 pm

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Hi Lin,

I understand that, Lin.   I know you were not saying that.   (I hope people realize that was not what I was thinking.)   
  

And I understand why you are concerned both about about that sector who advocated for and/or who voted largely based on their anti-immigrant beliefs, along with the larger pattern (within Europe and beyond Europe, such is the U.S.) of xenophobia/racism/anti-immigrant hostility.   These are definitely scary times.   My parents, aunts, uncles and grandparents were all interned in the Japanese internment camps, all due  to the anti-Japanese hysteria.   I see parallels between what happened with the Japanese-Americans to Trump's verbal attacks against the Muslim community/people whose national origin is from certain Middle Eastern countries.  It's just frightening.   Sorry, I'm tired.  I suspect I'm not explaining myself very well.  I just wanted to say I understand your concerns/fear. 

9default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:09 am

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When it comes to Brexit, the dislike of the EU and how it is being run played just as much part in people voting to leave as immigration. I'd say it was pretty much an even split between the two. My husband and many of our friends voted out for this reason. There was a comment in the Times saying that "Everytime Juncker opened his mouth another Remainer switched allegiances." There's a lot of truth in that. Imo the EU is in a deep deep mess and it needs serious reforms. Had Cameron gotten through some of these I'm certain the majority would have voted in.

Anyways, there are certainly interesting times ahead. Fingers crossed all will turn out well.

10default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:00 pm

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I wonder if David Cameron has resigned because he thinks that the Brexit will have bad consequences for the country and he doesn't want to be blamed for the problems that could happen in the next years. If the Brexit has indeed bad consequences, the next PM will probably have a hard time because she will be taken responsible for the mess.

11default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:33 am

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It is difficult to know Jeremy. Even if that isn't the case it would be hard for him to remain pm when he lost such a huge decision, or indeed to be pm and having to negotiate Brexit which he himself doesn't belive in. I'm sad to see him go as I think he has been a very good pm and would have liked to see him stay on, but I can understand why he resigned for the reasons I have mentioned in the previous sentence. I don't think there is much else he could have done but resign. But yes, there is always some underlying sentiment that he's dodged a bullet by resigning. And who knows what he thinks behind closed doors.

We'll see how May fares. She's a tough cookie and is in some ways reminiscent of Thatcher. I think at the moment she's the best choice. We're going to need an Iron Lady I think.

More interestingly Boris has been named Foreign Minister! :laughing

12default Hilary as the Democratic nominee on Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:44 pm

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Yesterday, at the Democratic National Convention, history was made in the United States when Hillary Clinton was named as the first woman ever nominated for President by a major political party in the U.S.  (I know we're behind both the U.K. and Germany in this regard, not sure about Belgium.)

13default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:57 pm

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Just watched most of the Democratic National Convention tonight.  So inspiring.  President Obama's speech was brilliant and so full of hope.   Brought tears to my eyes.

14default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:27 am

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@Poppy wrote:Yesterday, at the Democratic National Convention, history was made in the United States when Hillary Clinton was named as the first woman ever nominated for President by a major political party in the U.S.  (I know we're behind both the U.K. and Germany in this regard, not sure about Belgium.)

Belgium has never had a female Head of State or Prime Minister but Belgian people are absolutely not against the idea of a female leader. Besides, the country has already had a gay PM with foreign roots and almost everybody in the royal family has foreign roots or comes from another country.

15default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:37 am

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My state (Texas) has had two female governors, one in the 1930s as a surrogate for her jailed husband, then another in the 1990s that lost to GWB. Rolling Eyes

16default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:57 am

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Welcome DaisiesAndLilies!

It's so nice to see a new member!   Welcome!   If you have any questions at all, please let me know by sending me a PM.  (You can see the PM icon under my Profile Name to the left of my post.)  

Ann Richards is famous for her sass.  She was the one who lost to George W. Bush?

P.S.  I love your avatar.  May I ask where did you get it?

17default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:31 pm

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Watching the debate stressed me out.  I felt exhausted emotionally and physically watching it (suppressing your rage will do that).  oh

18default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:03 pm

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I didn't watch the debate. There's no point since they won't give substantive answers about policy, only about the scandal of the day. Besides, I had to get upset about my team getting eliminated from baseball playoffs in a humiliating fashion instead. pale  :cry moody


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19default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:49 pm

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DaisiesAndLlilies wrote:Besides, I had to get upset about my team getting eliminated from baseball playoffs in a humiliating fashion instead.  
Oh, I'm sorry.   : it's gonna be ok

20default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:10 am

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I cannot stop crying.

This is a nightmare.  I have never been so ashamed to be American,

21default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:26 am

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I'm in complete shock and on the verge of tears myself, I can't even imagine how everyone in America must be feeling.


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22default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:44 am

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Bloody hell, that was certainly a surprise. To quote the great Dylan 'the times they are a' changing'. 

Personally I felt both candidates were bad and I feel sorry for the people of the US that they had to choose between two bad eggs. The whole thing has been a farce. What lies ahead now is anyone's guess...

23default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:26 am

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@dusty001 wrote:Bloody hell, that was certainly a surprise. To quote the great Nobel laureate Dylan 'the times they are a' changing'. 

Personally I felt both candidates were bad and I feel sorry for the people of the US that they had to choose between two bad eggs. The whole thing has been a farce. What lies ahead now is anyone's guess...

Fixed it for you. :happy face

Trying to look for a silver lining: maybe the US will reject TTP and TTIP/TISA? Unfortunately, whatever trade deals replace them will still take away non-minimum wage jobs from the American economy.

The past few presidents had expanded executive powers to overcome congressional gridlock. This will bite us in the rear since The Donald is the type of person to take a mile when given a inch.

I had been seeing the two main choices as big decline versus slow decline, and I feel that picking the fast decline (IMO) won't lead to the rebuilding of American unity or economic strength.


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24default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:56 am

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^ ah, yes, I stand corrected..Nobel laureate indeed. :happy face  Well deserved to.

Lets hope this will mean scrapping ttip. Something which I find extremely dangerous. What possibly sane person could think ttip is a good thing? To have big companies with that kind of power is not good. Sounds like a plan to make them richer and populations poorer. A worse situation than is already the status quo.

25default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:03 am

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I've thought about you this morning. I'm truly sorry.

26default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:13 pm

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I am trying not to freak out too much.   But this has really shattered me. 

I am of Japanese ancestry, my mother was born in the U.S.  As a child, I lived in an area with practically no Asian-Americans.  In my elementqry school, there were two families who were Asian, including mine.  I would walk to and from school, being called "foreigner," "chink," Jap," you name it, with cat-calls and all that fun stuff.  These were not just other elementary school kids doing this, but also teenagers and the occasional adult. 

My parents were interned during WWII in relocation camps, because  of the national fear that anyone with a Japanese face/name was conspiring against the U.S. as spies.   It was institutional racism, because there was no evidence  to warrant locking up an entire racial group --120,000 people, including children--simply because of their Japanese ancestry.    Many of those interned were U.S. citizens.   My mother was just a little girl. 

I have seen Republican Presidents win elections during my lifetime, but never have I felt so crushed as Donald Trump winning the Presidency.   I have never cried my eyes out.  I have never wondered how bad will it be now for those who will be judged for not being "American," for not belonging to this country.  What kind of life will anyone who is Muslim living in this country have?   Will hatred, violence, and persecution against this group of people be permitted, just as Trump encouraged his supporters to beat up protesters at his rallies, that he would foot their legal bill?  What about those in the LGBTQ community, what kind of judgement will be advocated against their community?  What Supreme Court justice with his/her backward biases will be appointed to the highest court by a President who espouses hatred and intolerance?   What about women and their rights?   According to Trump, should the right to have an abortion be taken away by law, then women who have abortions should face punishment?   (Yes, he "clarified" his position later, but he had said this!)    Will the President of our country be an example of how it's permissible to treat women as sexual objects, that exist purely for powerful men's gratification? 

And this is not even touching upon how concerned I am now for the environment, since Trump feels global warming is a "Chinese hoax."   Or of our economy, or our health care.  In terms of foreign matters, who will Trump ally himself with?  A ruthless despot like Putin?   For a man who is prone to temper tantrums, what kind of trouble will he get our country in? 

To make matters worse, we have a Republican-controlled Senate, and House.  And Trump will be appointing the next U.S. Supreme Court justice.

This honestly feels like a nightmare.  Ok, I could go on and on.  But I have tired myself out.

What does it feel like to have someone who was endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan, the very symbol of racism, hatred, and intolerance, as our country's President?

27default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:14 pm

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In my country, the main political parties are not pleased by Trump's victory and employers' associations are afraid of the consequences of his protectionist policies on our national economy. Some people also fear an impact on the future elections in France, Germany and the Netherlands (the far right parties are big there, now). This decennium definitely gets creepy.

But there are still a lot of good things in life, let's focus on that : it's gonna be ok

28default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:16 pm

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Time will tell what impact the U.S. election has on the rest of the world.  I hope that a negative impact is limited.

Thank you, Jeremy.   I know that there are a lot of good things to feel fortunate about.

29default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:33 am

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I'm so sorry to read that Poppy. Sending you a big hug.

On the outset it doesn't look great, but considering he might not get through any policies etc, not much might actually happened. I mean he might get stuff blocked in congress.

30default Re: General News You Want to Talk About on Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:23 pm

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dusty, thanks for your sympathy.  I appreciate it.

I don't know if the Democrats will be able to block much, given the Republicans have the majority in both houses.  Time will tell.

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